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Josh Briscoe's avatar

I do think someone with advanced dementia is a different person than they once were. What, then, do we do with a patient who made an advance request but now that they've lost the capacity to decide otherwise (but meets the criteria) appears to be enjoying listening to music and eating their meals?

What I worry about here is what others have already discussed: the elevation of critical interests over experiential interests. This advance request to be killed is a critical interest. Other critical interests are someone's hope to be a good father, brother, son, mechanic, citizen, etc., to build a table, to run a marathon, etc. Not everyone can form critical interests. People with dementia could have done so at one time, but others, like those born with severe intellectual disabilities, never had the capacity to do so.

Experiential interests are focused on sensations. Most of us have an experiential interest in slaking thirst, satisfying hunger, avoiding pain, etc. Even people with severe dementia can continue to have experiential interests.

So, when you have someone who has forgotten they made an advance decision based on a critical decision, but are living their life oriented around experiential interests, if you honor that previously expressed wish you're going to elevate critical interests above experiential interests, suggesting that one is more valuable than the other. This is step closer to, if not an embrace of, the belief that some lives are not worth living because of their rational capacities. It is the judgment that builds a culture that points at someone with dementia and says, "We never want to live like that," when, in fact, the person with dementia might not have any qualms about continuing to live now.

This point doesn't address the situation in which someone with dementia appears to have trouble meeting their experiential interests (e.g., they're in unremitting pain or afflicted with persistent bouts of distressing psychosis with behavioral disturbances), but it does raise concerns about the validity of living wills in many circumstances for people with dementia. It doesn't necessarily invalidate surrogate decision-making for people with dementia, though. Rather, it should provoke surrogates (and clinicians) to consider whether they're biasing themselves against *all* people with cognitive impairments when they value critical interests over experiential interests.

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Rachel Hislop-Hook's avatar

I find the curious the anthropology you are using very curious and interesting.

You seem to be operating based on the idea that there is such a construct exists as a "continuous, stable, conscious psychological self" - are you sure you agree this exists? Because as someone with a Master's in counselling, I'm not sure such a thing truly exists. When someone has an eating disorder, what is your approach? Are you sure a consistent autonomous self exists? Because, from my knowledge and experience, it doesn't. Persons are often complex, inconsistent and ambivalence. What do you do as a counsellor? You partner with the healthy side of the patient - the side who wants to live - the side who wants to become healthy, and you form an alliance with that part of their self in order to overcome the parts of themselves driving the eating disorder.

1. I do not think such a continuous 'psychological self' exists - people are very inconsistent

2. When does such a psychological self begin? I don't imagine it would be there in, let's say, young children.

3. It also seems quite arbitrary that this "self" all-of-a-sudden becomes discontinuous when someone gets something like "dimension" - but not, lets say, any number of other neurological, psychological or other disorders. Why is it not the case that persons undergo change and transformation in their psychological self through out their lives (childhood self, adolescent self, parent self, career self, retirement self, physically sick self, dementia self). Your argument seems inconsistent to me. Of course our psychological selves undergo change when we get dementia, but do they not also change in light of any number of other life circumstances, physical, mental or other brain disorders? Or does this reveal our culture's own "ideal" self - the autonomous, independent, un-relational, 'well-intact', 'in control' conscious self, who charts his own path and is dependent on no one. This does not seem like most people to me - but only fits a certain stereotype of person - which is very exclusive and leaves out many other human beings.

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